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    WMD and The Easter Bunny

    Senior British officials announced today that weapons of mass destruction were unlikely to be found in Iraq (http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/politics/3054549.stm). The White House has admitted that claims that they made to justify the war with Iraq were based on bad intelligence (or perhaps lack of intelligence) and that the claim Bush made in his State of the Union address about Iraq attempting to acquire uranium from Africa was erroneous. A $25 million dollar reward was offered for information leading to Saddam Hussein’s capture or confirmation of his death. It’s odd that no such reward has been offered for information leading to the discovery of weapons of mass destruction. Perhaps that’s because both the British and U.S. governments know that the reward might work in the first case, but not the latter.



    Meanwhile, as things heat up in Washington and London, Bush is in Africa searching for the Easter Bunny. Little does he realize that Tony Blair has kidnapped the waskily wittle wabbit and is hiding her in a hotel in downtown Baghdad. More on that latter….

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    Re:WMD and The Easter Bunny

    I hate to say this... but I told ya so.

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    Re:WMD and The Easter Bunny

    Well,

    there was absolutly NO DOUBT that Iraq had WmDs. After all, they gave up a few of the weapons they had to us when we had 225,000 men on their front door.

    Plus, I don't know if you remember this, but we found a chemical wepons complex with a bunch of gas suits and crap like that. Why would a country without WmDs have gas suits? Sounds kinda suspecious to me. Also remember the Kurds adn that other group in the south? Saddam dropped gases on them....and then remember his nuclear weapons project near completion, but then we told Israel to bomb it?

    Yeah....kinda sounds suspecious to me.

    Sure, the White House used that to justify war, thats no doubt, because think about it - who cares if he gives us the weapons. He STILL has the plans to remake them again, which he would of if we backed off. If we attacked when he gave us the weapons, it would put a black mark on us.

    I'm sure Iraq has WmDs, thats not really a doubt to me. They're most likely in some other foriegn country which we can't touch.

    To me, it was a good thing we got rid of Saddam and his dictatorship, hundreds of thousands of people would of died for him if we didn't - not by WMDs, but by his natural actions.

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    Re:WMD and The Easter Bunny

    Just a word a warning:

    This is the kind of thread that can get out of hand really fast and made people upset and leave in the past. Please keep it clean ...

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    Re:WMD and The Easter Bunny

    One of the things that makes this site better than JustLinux (formerly LinuxNewbie) is that you can post a message like this. The same message got censored at JustLinux. Maybe one site is run by Republicans and the other is not? Anyway, the message was not meant to be inflammatory but to stimulate discussion. The same sorts of discussions that are starting to take place in Washington and London...except for the Easter Bunny part.

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    Erggh, my country has gas suits and gasmasks issued for it's soldiers... Does that mean we have WMDs ?

    I certainly hope not... I'm sorry but that's standard eq.

    In the end, Iraq has for the last 12 years been the most closely inspected country in the world in this regard - and while the americans kept yelling that they had WMDs and plans to use them they were unable to provide conclusive proof of this alligation.

    The whole war was to proof that he had WMDs, and now that the war is over and no weapons have been found (despite the fact that the americans and the brits were CERTAIN, and had PROOF) the spin is that he had to be removed (no doubt he was a bad leader and a horrible person - but overthrowing him is a job for his people not the international community)..

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    I suppose we could debate whether it's legitimate to invade a country to depose a tyrant. Maybe that's what the world should have done in the 1930s in Nazi Germany, the Balkans in the 1980s and 1990s, certain African countries, etc.

    But, if that's your mission, then be honest about it. To fabricate intelligence to sell your case to a naive public, and to ask your armed forces to be willing to make the ultimate sacrifice based on that artificial basis, is to put yourself in the same league as those tyrants you wish to depose.

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    [quote author=Coral Sea link=board=14;threadid=7356;start=0#msg67809 date=1057883198]
    I suppose we could debate whether it's legitimate to invade a country to depose a tyrant. Maybe that's what the world should have done in the 1930s in Nazi Germany, the Balkans in the 1980s and 1990s, certain African countries, etc.

    But, if that's your mission, then be honest about it. To fabricate intelligence to sell your case to a naive public, and to ask your armed forces to be willing to make the ultimate sacrifice based on that artificial basis, is to put yourself in the same league as those tyrants you wish to depose.
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    Nazi germany invaded austria and poland before the brits declared war - infact they settled for empeacement before that. Active declaration of war

    Balkans, genocides - also a valid reason to declare war. ( I can't really speak for the 80's I haven't studied that in detail)

    African countries - mostly a front for battling out the cold war without resolving to actually attacking directly - no valid reason persay, but that didn't stop neither the russians nor the americans. But the african countries have a good track record of intertribal warfare and general willingness to coup each others leaders, so it's nothing something new. Not that it makes it anybetter.

    America has a long history of meddling in other countries polical affairs, to avoid legally elected socialist leaders, to putting people in power who they could control and in one case at least to get a CIA operative enstated as president (Noriaga, panama - later panama was invaded because Noriaga failed to obey orders). And a sad history of sponsoring terrorists, The contras, Osama bin Laden, and aiding ruthless leaders, Saddam and the Shan of Iran to mention two. (I avoid Isreal here, since everyone seems to single that one out anyways - it's well known that it's a political mess down, but it has historical reasons for being so, even back in the days when The brits controlled it, it was a mess)

    All of these facts are generally kept from the public when it comes to deciding to go to war - the number 1 in state sponsored terrorisme is fact throughout modern time the US. Not the "evil doers" as your politicians would want you to believe. I'm not saying however that countries like Iran are innocent, hell no they even kept tax records of their state sponsored terrorisme.. it's sick, at least the US had the decency to bundle it all under the CIA and other forms of red tape diversions.

    As you can see international politics are a pet project of mine, I studied it in high school and just kept reading up on it ever since. Also I have a journalist friend who is very interested in this subject and we debate these matters endlessly. to each their own fun.

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    Don't shoot the messenger:

    http://www.msnbc.com/news/937576.asp?0cv=CA01

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    just cause I have 80 rounds of .357 sig ammo in my car trunk doesn't mean I carry a gun with me everywhere I go.

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