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    Grapes good for playing with penguins????

    Good now that I have your attention. :twisted:

    Allow me to elaborate, most of you who follow the linux gaming industry know that the DirectX enabled Port of Wine called WineX changed it's name to Cedega (Cedega is a rare and special grape used in the production of some fine port wines, see the correlation :idea: )

    And because nothing gets a forum hopping like a good debate. I want to know your honest, biased (if applicable) opinion about this commercial port of wine that is picking up steam in the linux gaming world. Anything goes, so let the flaming begin.

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    I've played with it at home. Got Vice City to work with cedega and Medal of Honour.
    I was amazed - windows games on Linux. I bet Bill's crapping himself.
    Of course, massive pressure from Linux users for proper ports from the gaming companies would be far better, but, it'll do for now.
    Shame it doesn't support Reason/Rebirth and the Sonic Foundry range.
    Just a few thoughts...

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    I supported WineX in the beginning. Paid my yearly fees to get the updates and I played my old games on Linux. I thought everything was fine and dandy until I slapped a partition on my machine and installed Windows and played the same games. I was amazed! The games ran 2 to 3 times better under Windows. I was settling for slide show graphics and serious load times just to play my games under Linux. I found that most people have to have at least twice the horse-power required for a game just to get it to run normally under WineX(Cadega).

    All in all I think that WineX is detrimental to Linux gaming. It deters people from making native Linux binaries for their games. Whats the point, if the game will run kinda well under WineX?

    Quake3 was one of the games that I bought for both Windows and Linux and I get better frame rates out of the Linux version playing on the same machine.

    I wish the WineX group would align their efforts more toward creating native ports than creating a substandard emulator.
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    Interesting,
    I've always found that games played on Linux, (various unreal tournaments, quake3, medal of honour, vice city) have consistently better performance than when played on Windows.
    The ut2004 demo for example, played at 640x480 / 16bit colour under windows and struggled constantly. Under Linux it ran at 800x600 in 32bit colour and was very smooth.

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    I was talking about gaming in Linux under WineX (Cadega). Games ported to Linux have always been, in my experience, faster than their Windows counterparts.
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    Yeah, you really need a beast of a machine to play games with Cedega and not notice it. If you hate microsoft, and you don't want to install WinXP, then use Win98 because it is a discontinued product. However, I really love Linux native gaming. UT2004, has simply blown me away, as has DOOM3. But the reason why they really don't need Cedega to run is because of their use of OpenGL. Most games nowadays use the crappier (and slower) Direct X, which is the Microsoft API, which we shouldn't wait to be released for Linux any time soon. The bad thing is, most people reckon that OpenGL is becoming extinct, which is ashame, because it is clearly the better API. As for Cedega, they need to work on the whole performance thing.
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    Another option is, please don't flame me Zen and mac, but Java3D is really freekin cool. I am in the preliminary stages of building a game with Java3D. Essentially it provides a layer to direct hardware access, it hides some of the really high level stuff, but I would probably never really use it any way. This way I can concentrate on game design rather than worrying about the high level engine specifics. Flying Guns and Super Elvis! are 2 really cool examples of Java3D.
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    Do you think that it might be a serious contender eventually? Does it support the cool effects such as Pixel shaders? I know some people think that Pixel Shaders are silly, but when you see them in action, they are really worth it. Doom 3 anyone?
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    No, Java3D isn't for high end gaming like Doom3. HL2, Far Cry etc. It doesn't support Pixel shaders. It is for middle end gaming. The first time I played Flying Guns I was blown away, here I was playing a fully 3D game that plays out of an applet that took less than 2 minutes to download. Applets aren't the only use for it but you should be able to see the uses for it.

    Here is a link for flying guns if you are interested, you need Java to play it. http://www.flyingguns.com/
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    Re: Grapes good for playing with penguins????

    So we have
    1. Opengl
    2. Messa
    3. Sdl
    4. Java3D
    5. ?
    6. ?

    Any others?
    I have never played with any of they above to make a game but if i was to i would probly pick the one with
    the best ruby support.
    Sound's like a tutorial in the makeing.
    I personal used winex for a month then cancled it
    I decided to go on a linux game strike if it doesn't
    work natively then i will not play it so i bought a ps2 because of course playstation has a linux kit so in all reallity linux has some of the best games in the world!

    I haven't tried java3d ill look into it sometime today.

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