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    We don't need no more stinking distros

    BUT we REALLY need a good Windows Managers that will do a good job at making menu items. Granted there are a lot more nicer distros coming out lately but I've yet to see a great Windows managers that make full use of system installed softwares.

    I'm waiting for the day when when you installed a program, it will promptly show up on the menu bar. And that a DE which will detect some programs had been installed and that it needs to make a menu item so that the user can use it.

    We don't need zillions of distros (although a good selection of distros is very nice) and millions of WMs. What we need is a good working few. >

    Alright, I feel better now. ;D

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    Re:We don't need no more stinking distros

    SuSE 9.2 with KDE works pretty well for that. Only for stuff installed through Yast, I think.

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    Re:We don't need no more stinking distros

    I dont think its the distros, its the millions of API's and models. I really wish GTK and Qt would take the best of each and just merge. That way all you need to do is program a WM/DE to take advantage of that and all apps can be uniform and so on.

    The menu entry is another thing that pushed me off of Fedora lately. The new menu format that they use has been going on for what ... 2.5 YEARS now?? To roll out an RPM and not add the icon in the menu is beyond inexcusable. And for developers to not use the now standard menu system that allows one icon to be made and work in KDE and GNOME is amazing.

    The lack of a standard is our issue. A distro for gaming, another for office work, and another for porn is fine. When apps cannot work across each without an assload of work, that is not.

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    Re:We don't need no more stinking distros

    I agree with Schotty on this one. I, too, wish QT and GTK would merge. It would make things a lot easier. It would also make sense to follow Apple's way of doing some things. For instance, you always look in the Application folder for apps. Plus, any app with a .app extension is really an executable folder with all the required files inside of it. You simply drag and drop to "install" the program. Makes sense to me.

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    Re:We don't need no more stinking distros

    I know that there were talks going a few years back to do some merging of QT and GTK but the majority of users resented at that time plus the cultrual clashes at both camps made it almost impossible. That's fine for me as long as they will look each other's work with earnest most and agree what is good and what's not. Then establish some ways to have APIs for each platform with some standards.

    It's also time for DE developers (and app programmers) to get their act together and list items that are in excutible form such as in /usr/bin. Other wise why would a program reside in /usr/bin if it is not executibles?

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    Re:We don't need no more stinking distros

    [quote author=Schotty link=board=13;threadid=10339;start=0#msg93104 date=1112558828]
    The new menu format that they use has been going on for what ... 2.5 YEARS now?? To roll out an RPM and not add the icon in the menu is beyond inexcusable. And for developers to not use the now standard menu system that allows one icon to be made and work in KDE and GNOME is amazing.
    [/quote]Exactly my point. It's quiet fine as a hobby OS to not be very standardized but if anyone wants to see Linux as major desktop OS, some standards is needed.

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    Re:We don't need no more stinking distros

    [quote author=Compunuts link=board=13;threadid=10339;start=0#msg93111 date=1112562887]
    [quote author=Schotty link=board=13;threadid=10339;start=0#msg93104 date=1112558828]
    The new menu format that they use has been going on for what ... 2.5 YEARS now?? To roll out an RPM and not add the icon in the menu is beyond inexcusable. And for developers to not use the now standard menu system that allows one icon to be made and work in KDE and GNOME is amazing.
    [/quote]Exactly my point. It's quiet fine as a hobby OS to not be very standardized but if anyone wants to see Linux as major desktop OS, some standards is needed.
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    Agreed

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    [quote author=Compunuts link=board=13;threadid=10339;start=0#msg93110 date=1112562756]
    I know that there were talks going a few years back to do some merging of QT and GTK but the majority of users resented at that time plus the cultrual clashes at both camps made it almost impossible. That's fine for me as long as they will look each other's work with earnest most and agree what is good and what's not. Then establish some ways to have APIs for each platform with some standards.

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    This is a big part of what freedesktop.org is trying to do. Bit by bit, they're coming up with standards for KDE and Gnome to work together. The new menu standard is a result of their work, as is startup notification, and the .desktop launcher format. Slowly but surely, the platforms are starting to coexist.

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    Re:We don't need no more stinking distros

    That is very correct. I just woke up not too long ago, so I am glad you didnt miss that too

    But as to the zealots getting pissed at a merge -- so what? .05% of the PC users are going to dictate what the rest of us get? Pfft I think we the majority should have the voice. Instead the smaller LOUDER minority is getting their way.

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    Re:We don't need no more stinking distros

    [quote author=Schotty link=board=13;threadid=10339;start=0#msg93119 date=1112570332]
    .05% of the PC users are going to dictate what the rest of us get? [/quote]
    Actually, that's what happening currently. MS's a handful of Engineers are dictating what the rest PC users (apprently Billions) can do and what we can't do. Unless you are 100% or almost close to that convert (like myself), then you actually have some choice.

    Pfft I think we the majority should have the voice. Instead the smaller LOUDER minority is getting their way.
    See this is always the case no matter where you go.

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