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    First off Cloverm thanks for your hard work. We really appreciate it.

    As for me I am totally turned off by the results of the site merger. Not happy with it. I am not sure if I am the only one. There is banners galore on this. And it doesn’t have the same look at all.

    I vote for someone of US hosting this and all contributing for hosting. We NEVER wanted this site to be commercialized.

    If no one steps forward I can help as much as I can.

    Hope we can figure something out. But I hope this is democracy and we can get what we want. If nothing else this might be my time to leave.

    If I'm the only one feeling this way I am quietly leave. Thanks for you all being a huge part of my life. Thanks for everything.

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    Either way this ends up going, there would have to be quite a majority of former LJR members doing the same thing for it to be anywhere near as successful as LJR.
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    Yeah, the ads are a big turn off for me too. I'd have hoped to keep LJR the way it was but it wasn't ours and I guess our contribution wasn't appreciated by the way it was just thrown at our face.

    Although I'm not sure we should just run leave and start a new site but I'm not totally discounting that idea either.

    Count me in if you ever want to start a site without any crappy commercials. I will help out as much as I can.
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    I has been okay for me - besides getting used to the layout. It seems that even ljr had a few ads (a walmart one iir). and i know lno did. they are other site with no ads... perhaps we can each pay up for one month of hostling like we did in the early days of ljr...
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    I see no banner ads! I do, however, see text ads. Small price to pay for not being asked for a cent for a place to hang out. I agree, some things irk me about the transition, but what a great thanks for Peter's hard work.

    Membership dues? wasn't that tried before? How well did that work? I'll tell you what will happen with that:

    Constant bugging members for dues while a small few bear the burden. Someone has to have the nasty duty of asking for money. I've seen it rip apart an otherwise tight knit group. Honor system? Forget it. It will regress into someone taking the entire burden.

    What is needed is someone who just accepts taking on the whole thing themselves, asking for no money, OR someone who can arrange for a way for the site to support itself, and still does the bulk of the work.

    No hard feelings towards anyone who's not happy, but don't make it a slap to the face of a decent fellow.

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    My 2 cents:

    I personally don't have anything against OpenFree or Peter. I think it was very nice of him to take the forum.

    However, I echo some of the statements other have mentioned. I'm not very concerned about ads and stuff. However, I am more concerned about the forum identity.
    Again, this is not a personal attack against Peter or OpenFree. However, I am not sure that the goals of both forums are the same. LJr was a place to hang out as well as a support forum. That's why there were no ads, and certain things like karma, avatars and the LJr logo were important to us.
    I wish we had a say on how the forum transition was done, but we didn't. Though luck. Nothing that can be done about that. I am willing to give OpenFree a chance, even though I have my issues with it. However, I came to LJr because of the community. There are tons of other support forums around I could go to, but none had the community I liked. My point is that, if the LJr community becomes fragmented (again) LJr, or what's left of it, will die.
    Again, I am willing to give OpenFree a chance, and I wish you guys would. But if it doesn't work, I have a hosting arrangement already made and I am willing to host LJr as close to what it was as possible. However, keep in mind that the LJr name and the database with all the posts belong to Cloverm, and now to Peter. Without their cooperation (which I assume would be unlikely to be received, since Peter already has put a lot of effort on the integration of the forums) it would be a blank slate, starting from scratch.
    What do all the other LJr members think?
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    Hi,

    I really have nothing wrong with openfree. I'm sure the community will be as nice a the one we have. And YES, I stayed in ljr because I didn't like the LQ community, not because any other reasons. Of course, I miss the avatars and karma, but I really can live without it. Text banners do not annoy me. I will get used to a new interface.

    Remember I'm young in age so maybe that'll explain my opinion.

    I agree with trickster, we all should give OpenFree a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tricksterisweak
    My 2 cents:

    I personally don't have anything against OpenFree or Peter. I think it was very nice of him to take the forum.

    However, I echo some of the statements other have mentioned. I'm not very concerned about ads and stuff. However, I am more concerned about the forum identity.
    Again, this is not a personal attack against Peter or OpenFree. However, I am not sure that the goals of both forums are the same. LJr was a place to hang out as well as a support forum. That's why there were no ads, and certain things like karma, avatars and the LJr logo were important to us.
    I wish we had a say on how the forum transition was done, but we didn't. Though luck. Nothing that can be done about that. I am willing to give OpenFree a chance, even though I have my issues with it. However, I came to LJr because of the community. There are tons of other support forums around I could go to, but none had the community I liked. My point is that, if the LJr community becomes fragmented (again) LJr, or what's left of it, will die.
    Again, I am willing to give OpenFree a chance, and I wish you guys would. But if it doesn't work, I have a hosting arrangement already made and I am willing to host LJr as close to what it was as possible. However, keep in mind that the LJr name and the database with all the posts belong to Cloverm, and now to Peter. Without their cooperation (which I assume would be unlikely to be received, since Peter already has put a lot of effort on the integration of the forums) it would be a blank slate, starting from scratch.
    What do all the other LJr members think?
    I think we are pretty much on the same page. I dont think I could necessarily afford doing the hosting after a while, but if need be, email me and we can discuss this. I do think that we should give Peter a chance. Its been less than a month, and he should be peremitted to have a chance to iron out the little crap. If after a reasonable time drifted by there is no change, improvement or any other appeasement -- THEN we bail. Give the guy a break. I am sure that he didnt expect that the different forums were going to give him as much grief.

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    Agreed! I say we stick it out for a reasonable amount of time. If it becomes unbearable, then we bail. Peter has been especially good about the transition and has put up with a lot of crap from us. It is only right for us to wait it out. Now, if it does become unbearable, I will be more than happy to join up with the rest of the LJr regulars at a different place.

    One word of caution, this site will never gain the level of "cool" that LJr had if we all bail too quickly. If we try to be active in this forum, then we will continue on in the spirit of LJr. If we bail, then it will definitely lose the very soul that it once had (i.e. the soul I'm referring to is the one that was made up of the LJr regulars). Without the core members, this site or any other site will not have the special something that LJr had.

    As AljoshNL said, just my two Euro-cents.

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    Ok...had some problems getting my account activated here (stupid spam filters), but things seem to be working ok now.

    I was reading this thread and thinking "what ads"...turns out my browser has ad blocking I turned it off, and oh yeah there they are. I don't think they're such an issue. They're Google text ads, so they're very inconspicuous. It's not like we're seeing flashing green and yellow ads for online casinos or anything. Besides...I never check out the front page. It's always all about the forums for me.

    Karma would definitely be a nice to have. I kind of pride myself on the fact that people like me (for the most part)

    The layout and colour scheme are taking some getting used to, but I don't think that will be a big issue.

    Now as is to my understanding, there were already people posting in this forum before we got here during the site merger. They are still posting here, yes? I've seen almost exclusively posts from old LJR regulars since the merger announcement. Openfree regulars, where are you all? Come on out and say hello!

    Oh and if someone were to start up a competing forum to replace the old LJR, I'd be...iffy about it. I wouldn't mind so much, provided all my old stats like # posts and join date could be transferred. When I left LNO, I had somewhere in the order of 1000 posts. All of those were nuked when I jumped ship to LJR, and I had to start from scratch. Now here I am with 2000-something posts, and I've been hacking away to get this number for the past 5 years. Starting from scratch back in the LNO days was a pissoff, but no big deal given that I was much more active in forums and in linux in general back then. But nowadays I'm a busy man with all kinds of other interests, and the idea of resetting my post count to zero and my join date to tomorrow doesn't really honk my horn. I like the fact that I have 4 digits to my post count, and I like the fact that I've been using this same account for 5 years. To restart from scratch wouldn't really be the same.
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