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    First off Cloverm thanks for your hard work. We really appreciate it.

    As for me I am totally turned off by the results of the site merger. Not happy with it. I am not sure if I am the only one. There is banners galore on this. And it doesn’t have the same look at all.

    I vote for someone of US hosting this and all contributing for hosting. We NEVER wanted this site to be commercialized.

    If no one steps forward I can help as much as I can.

    Hope we can figure something out. But I hope this is democracy and we can get what we want. If nothing else this might be my time to leave.

    If I'm the only one feeling this way I am quietly leave. Thanks for you all being a huge part of my life. Thanks for everything.

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    Either way this ends up going, there would have to be quite a majority of former LJR members doing the same thing for it to be anywhere near as successful as LJR.
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    Yeah, the ads are a big turn off for me too. I'd have hoped to keep LJR the way it was but it wasn't ours and I guess our contribution wasn't appreciated by the way it was just thrown at our face.

    Although I'm not sure we should just run leave and start a new site but I'm not totally discounting that idea either.

    Count me in if you ever want to start a site without any crappy commercials. I will help out as much as I can.
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    I has been okay for me - besides getting used to the layout. It seems that even ljr had a few ads (a walmart one iir). and i know lno did. they are other site with no ads... perhaps we can each pay up for one month of hostling like we did in the early days of ljr...
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    I see no banner ads! I do, however, see text ads. Small price to pay for not being asked for a cent for a place to hang out. I agree, some things irk me about the transition, but what a great thanks for Peter's hard work.

    Membership dues? wasn't that tried before? How well did that work? I'll tell you what will happen with that:

    Constant bugging members for dues while a small few bear the burden. Someone has to have the nasty duty of asking for money. I've seen it rip apart an otherwise tight knit group. Honor system? Forget it. It will regress into someone taking the entire burden.

    What is needed is someone who just accepts taking on the whole thing themselves, asking for no money, OR someone who can arrange for a way for the site to support itself, and still does the bulk of the work.

    No hard feelings towards anyone who's not happy, but don't make it a slap to the face of a decent fellow.

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    My 2 cents:

    I personally don't have anything against OpenFree or Peter. I think it was very nice of him to take the forum.

    However, I echo some of the statements other have mentioned. I'm not very concerned about ads and stuff. However, I am more concerned about the forum identity.
    Again, this is not a personal attack against Peter or OpenFree. However, I am not sure that the goals of both forums are the same. LJr was a place to hang out as well as a support forum. That's why there were no ads, and certain things like karma, avatars and the LJr logo were important to us.
    I wish we had a say on how the forum transition was done, but we didn't. Though luck. Nothing that can be done about that. I am willing to give OpenFree a chance, even though I have my issues with it. However, I came to LJr because of the community. There are tons of other support forums around I could go to, but none had the community I liked. My point is that, if the LJr community becomes fragmented (again) LJr, or what's left of it, will die.
    Again, I am willing to give OpenFree a chance, and I wish you guys would. But if it doesn't work, I have a hosting arrangement already made and I am willing to host LJr as close to what it was as possible. However, keep in mind that the LJr name and the database with all the posts belong to Cloverm, and now to Peter. Without their cooperation (which I assume would be unlikely to be received, since Peter already has put a lot of effort on the integration of the forums) it would be a blank slate, starting from scratch.
    What do all the other LJr members think?
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    Hi,

    I really have nothing wrong with openfree. I'm sure the community will be as nice a the one we have. And YES, I stayed in ljr because I didn't like the LQ community, not because any other reasons. Of course, I miss the avatars and karma, but I really can live without it. Text banners do not annoy me. I will get used to a new interface.

    Remember I'm young in age so maybe that'll explain my opinion.

    I agree with trickster, we all should give OpenFree a chance.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tricksterisweak
    My 2 cents:

    I personally don't have anything against OpenFree or Peter. I think it was very nice of him to take the forum.

    However, I echo some of the statements other have mentioned. I'm not very concerned about ads and stuff. However, I am more concerned about the forum identity.
    Again, this is not a personal attack against Peter or OpenFree. However, I am not sure that the goals of both forums are the same. LJr was a place to hang out as well as a support forum. That's why there were no ads, and certain things like karma, avatars and the LJr logo were important to us.
    I wish we had a say on how the forum transition was done, but we didn't. Though luck. Nothing that can be done about that. I am willing to give OpenFree a chance, even though I have my issues with it. However, I came to LJr because of the community. There are tons of other support forums around I could go to, but none had the community I liked. My point is that, if the LJr community becomes fragmented (again) LJr, or what's left of it, will die.
    Again, I am willing to give OpenFree a chance, and I wish you guys would. But if it doesn't work, I have a hosting arrangement already made and I am willing to host LJr as close to what it was as possible. However, keep in mind that the LJr name and the database with all the posts belong to Cloverm, and now to Peter. Without their cooperation (which I assume would be unlikely to be received, since Peter already has put a lot of effort on the integration of the forums) it would be a blank slate, starting from scratch.
    What do all the other LJr members think?
    I think we are pretty much on the same page. I dont think I could necessarily afford doing the hosting after a while, but if need be, email me and we can discuss this. I do think that we should give Peter a chance. Its been less than a month, and he should be peremitted to have a chance to iron out the little crap. If after a reasonable time drifted by there is no change, improvement or any other appeasement -- THEN we bail. Give the guy a break. I am sure that he didnt expect that the different forums were going to give him as much grief.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Outlaw
    Membership dues? wasn't that tried before? How well did that work?
    There never was any membership dues tried or otherwise. It was just a voluntary contribution made by members. A bunch of us send Colverm some costs to cover hosting and stuff. I'm sure the money runs out and Cloverm decided to move the site to his own server at home with DSL link due to various limitation with hosting provider (PHPWebhosting.com). I run a few sites off of that service and hadn't had any problem but the support can be slow at times (and its' stuff treating you like you don't know jack about Linux systems).

    No hard feelings towards anyone who's not happy, but don't make it a slap to the face of a decent fellow.
    I don't think anyone is attacking about why or if there is a need for merger. LJR had slow traffic and I believe OpenFree is even slower traffic (by looking at active threads and its dates). So it's not like we are no use here.

    It was just the way it was handled. There was no hints of merger as well as the communication. I agree that it's Cloverm's own web site and all so he can do what he pleases. It was just the slap that many of us had to endured. I (like many others) stick around LJR for its community. I asked no more than 10 questions in all my time at LJR. Usually whenever my questions are, it is over the scope of our members. Like others have said, there are plenty of Linux support forums out there.

    And many of us agreed that it was not Peter's fault either. He is at the receiving end of things. If I were him, I'd be more than happy to have the site like LJR (and its members). He tried to reach out as well although the work load can be overhelming for him at this time but he DID answer my PM.

    Like I said, many of us have no real hard feelings. It was just a shock so let them have a little bitching.

    It also doesn't cost too much to host a site like LJR. It was just the time it takes to maintain it. I know it was also the real reason why Cloverm let it go. I'm also familiar with at least 4 other BBS software and many layouts so it wasn't really new for me. For me, any kind of ads is a big turn off, period. That's why many of us offer Peter to help the cost if he might consider taking the ads out but there was no take so that's that.
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