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    Re:Who will win the US elections?

    ive never really been into politics, because as i read all the candidates websites, they pretty much all say the same shit, they all sweet talk the citizens and tell us what we want to hear, how are we suppose to choose who will keep their promises? i dont know shit about kerry, ive seen bush in office and the only difference ive noticed in the country was we went to war, but you just cant stand idley by as terrorists from the middle east crash planes into our buildings. so how is one that doesnt know shit about politics get into it and actually understand what the candidates stand for and who to vote for?

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    [quote author=burntash link=board=17;threadid=9483;start=#msg86261 date=1089585994]
    ive never really been into politics, because as i read all the candidates websites, they pretty much all say the same shit, they all sweet talk the citizens and tell us what we want to hear, how are we suppose to choose who will keep their promises? i dont know shit about kerry, ive seen bush in office and the only difference ive noticed in the country was we went to war, but you just cant stand idley by as terrorists from the middle east crash planes into our buildings. so how is one that doesnt know shit about politics get into it and actually understand what the candidates stand for and who to vote for?
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    You can't control how someone behaves. You can only hope to become as educated as you can. Read the most you can and try to be as objective as possible.

    Start by checking politcal stances.

    http://www.cnn.com/ELECTION/2004/

    Then go to each candidate's site and see what they say.

    http://georgewbush.com/

    http://www.johnkerry.com/front/splash.html


















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    The only problem with going to war is that we did not go to war with the people who attacked us. (well, we did on Afghanistan, looking for Bin Laden, but not on Iraq.) It's been on the news that the 9/11 commission decided that there was no real relation between Al-Qaeda and Hussein, so we did not go to war on Iraq because of terrorism. There were otehr reasons for going there, some consider them valid and others don't. However, it certainly was not because of terrorism.

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    [quote author=gmoreno link=board=17;threadid=9483;start=30#msg86210 date=1089526603]
    But I agree his stance with other issues. Like Gay marriages and traditional standards.
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    What would those 'traditional standards' be? Child molestation? Adultery?

    You know alot of these values are good and all, but only if the people who spew all this crap are actually bound by them. Bush is one of those born again wacko's who wants everyone in the fucking country to dance to his beat.

    Religion has no place in government. Only reason I can think off why the US govermnet should ban gay marraige is if, and only if, gay marriage endangers the public health. I cannot see how gay marriage would that, most possible the opposite since it would discourage promiscuity among homo sexuals.

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    [quote author=gmoreno link=board=17;threadid=9483;start=30#msg86210 date=1089526603]Seriously now I think I will vote for bush. There is somethings I disagree with him like this war. But I agree his stance with other issues. Like Gay marriages and traditional standards.
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    Okay I disagree with Bush/you on Gay marriage and I assume you mean s/traditional/christian/ which I also disagree with on many points. So, yes, I'm completely biased.

    /But/ assuming that I saw Gay Marriage as a terrible thing (I don't know how you view it except for being against it, so I'll try to take the extreme). And assuming I disagreed with Bush on this war.

    If I vote for Kerry, I'd be voting for a guy who doesn't favor gay marriages, and disagrees with the war.

    If I vote for Bush, I'd be voting for a guy who strongly doesn't favor gay marriages, and likes to lie to us about war.

    And even if Kerry was pro-gay marriage, is it anywhere near as important as lying to us about why we are MURDERING people?

    If you want to vote for Bush, do it because you actually think he will help this nation out, not because he's more anti-gay marriage than the other guy (When sadly neither one will allow it).

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    I fucking hate religious people who try to stuff their beliefes down our throats using politics. They should be seperate entities. You are on your own, in your good right to be nuts, but you have no right to spread your insanity to the rest of us..

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    [quote author=Lovechild link=board=17;threadid=9483;start=30#msg86297 date=1089628671]
    I fucking hate religious people who try to stuff their beliefes down our throats using politics. They should be seperate entities. You are on your own, in your good right to be nuts, but you have no right to spread your insanity to the rest of us..
    [/quote]

    I'm 'religious' but in no way perfect. I think most religious people don't think it is right to stuff beliefs down the throats of others or force our way of life on them BUT religious people usually do act on their beliefs just like all good people do.

    I also tend to agree on the separate entities thing, though churches of all beliefs seem to have politics embedded and government never stops trying to regulate churches. It's madness.

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    "If Saddam rejects peace and we have to use force, our purpose is clear. We want to seriously diminish the threat posed by Iraq's weapons of mass destruction program."
    - President Clinton, Feb. 17, 1998

    "[W]e urge you, after consulting with Congress, and consistent with the US Constitution and laws, to take necessary actions (including, if appropriate, air and missile strikes on suspect Iraqi sites) to respond
    effectively to the threat posed by Iraq's refusal to end its weapons of
    mass destruction programs."
    - Letter to President Clinton, signed by Sens. Carl Levin (D-MI), Tom Daschle (D-SD), John Kerry (D - MA), and others Oct. 9,1998

    "There is no doubt that ... Saddam Hussein has invigorated his weapons programs. Reports indicate that biological, chemical and nuclear programs continue apace and may be back to pre-Gulf War status. In addition, Saddam continues to redefine delivery systems and is doubtless using the cover of a licit missile program to develop longer-range missiles that will threaten the United Statesand our allies."
    - Letter to President Bush, Signed by Sen. Bob Graham (D, FL,) and others, December 5, 2001

    "We know that he has stored secret supplies of biological and chemical weapons throughout his country."
    - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

    "Iraq's search for weapons of mass destruction has proven possible to deter and we should assume that it will continue for as long as Saddam is in power."
    - Al Gore, Sept. 23, 2002

    "I will be voting to give the President of the United States the authority to use force-- if necessary-- to disarm Saddam Hussein because I believe that a deadly arsenal of weapons of mass destruction in his hands is a real and grave threat to our security."
    - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Oct. 9,2002

    "In the four years since the inspectors left, intelligence reports show that Saddam Hussein has worked to rebuild his chemical and biological
    weapons stock, his missile delivery capability, and his nuclear program. He has also given aid, comfort, and sanctuary to terrorists, including Al Qaeda members.. It is clear, however, that if left unchecked, Saddam Hussein will continue to increase his capacity to wage biological and chemical warfare, and will keep trying to develop nuclear weapons."
    - Sen. Hillary Clinton (D, NY), Oct 10, 2002

    "Without question, we need to disarm Saddam Hussein. He is a brutal,
    murderous dictator, leading an oppressive regime . He presents a
    particularly grievous threat because he is so consistently prone to
    miscalculation ... And now he is miscalculating America's response to his continued deceit and his consistent grasp for weapons of mass destruction .. So the threat of Saddam Hussein with weapons of mass destruction is real"
    - Sen. John F. Kerry (D, MA), Jan. 23. 2003

    Hmm... so if President Bush and Vice President Cheney lied about weapons of mass destruction... does that also mean that Bill Clinton, Carl Levin, Tom Daschle, John Kerry, Bob Graham, Al Gore, Hillary Clinton and just about the entire Democratic party were all in on the conspiracy? Or does it mean that Bush saw the same intelligence that they did and actually decided to act on it rather than indulge in a bunch of useless political rhetoric?

    During Vietnam, which lasted from about 1965 until Nixon stopped it in 1975, we lost 58,000 lives. That's 5,800 deaths a year. Vietnam, keep in mind, never attacked us - that war, or conflict, or whatever you want to call it was started in accordance with our policy of Communist containment.

    Since the attacks of 9/11, President Bush has liberated two countries, destroyed the Taliban, seriously damaged Al Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya, Iran and North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a brutal terrorist dictator who massacred over 300,000 of his own people.

    Since May 1st, 2003, we have lost about 900 soldiers. That's roughly 60 deaths a month. Just to compare - there were 39 combat-related deaths in Iraq during January and in the fair city of Detroit, USA, there were 35 murders during January. And all this has been done without suffering another terrorist attack at home.

    Thanks to our actions in Iraq, 400,000 kids have immunizations. School attendance is up 80%. 1,500 schools have been renovated. 4.5 million people are drinking clean water for the first time ever. Iraq now receives 2 times the electrical power. 100% of hospitals are open and fully staffed, compared with 35% before the war. Girls are allowed to attend school.

    So what does all this mean? I think it means that, once people take a good look at the facts, George W. Bush will be sitting in the White House long after John Kerry has gone back to missing 80% of Senate votes.
    i found this to be an interesting post on another forum with similar discussion.

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    Re:Who will win the US elections?

    What does that have to do with the war on terrorism?

    900 deaths, but over a 1000 troops now handicapped due to wartime involvement.

    I dont why people think that somehow invading Iraq has made the US safer. The only reason we havent been attacked again is because we havent been attacked again. Those that think we have the Taliban runnin' scared are horribly misinformed.

    Im not a big fan of Kerry, but Bush is a nutt job if Ive ever seen one. He's the leader of the freeworld for pete's sake and cant even get a solid thought out.

    http://www.comedycentral.com/tv_shows/thedailyshowwithjonstewart/videos_corr.jhtml?startIndex=25&p=stewart


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    Re:Who will win the US elections?

    Also, McCain / Dean 2008...yeeeeeaaaaaaa :-\

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    I'm so pleased that the art of cut and paste politics aren't lost on burntash - taking things out of context and spinning them to suit your fancy..

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